For a Defense of the English Language!
Say No to Work-Withs!

Here in the wine industry, we wine suppliers are often scheduled to work with salespeople from our distributors. We go out in their cars with lots of samples, visit restaurant owners and retailers, and sell huge quantities of wine.

We wine professionals call these appointments work-withs.

In reality, there is no such term in the English language.

In fact, a work-with is a dangling preposition.

Please, can we come up with a new term? A kinder, gentler, grammatical way of describing the beautiful, bonding experience of forcing clients into buying wine.

Then again, as much as I am against the dangling prepopsition, lets keep sentence fragments alive and well.

I love them.

The winning entry will receive a complimentary bottle of Caligrame Janières, our latest cult wine, if it is legal to ship from New York City to the State where the winner resides.

Employees of LDM Wines and their immediate family members are not eligible to win this prize.
- Joe Dressner 3-26-2004 7:21 pm


I thought these were ride-withs. But the English language has a rich history of compound noun-prepositions: shutdown, startup, castoff, shutin .... It's time to lose the hyphen: workwith! Look out, Webster's lookout!
- Scott Kraft (guest) 3-26-2004 7:27 pm


I'm sorry. That won't do.
- Joe Dressner 3-26-2004 7:40 pm


How does client conforming sound?
- Gene (guest) 3-26-2004 7:42 pm


Picky, picky. How about "marvin"?

"Hey, Dressner, plan on a 2-day marvin next month."

"We netted five new retailers on our last marvin."

"What we need around here is a few good marvins."
- Scott Kraft (guest) 3-26-2004 7:44 pm


how about "a sandwich job"?
- the sheriff (guest) 3-26-2004 8:08 pm


Marvin isn't bad....

Sheriff -- I thought you were on vacation?
- Joe Dressner 3-26-2004 8:10 pm


we returned tuesday night sir.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-26-2004 8:13 pm


Hey, do you still have my Vin Jaune?
- Scott Kraft (guest) 3-26-2004 8:43 pm


schnook-a-long ??


- anonymous (guest) 3-26-2004 9:37 pm


how about go-sees? it works for models
- gene (guest) 3-26-2004 10:56 pm


What do the models go-see?
- Joe Dressner 3-27-2004 12:01 am


photographers
- gene (guest) 3-27-2004 12:07 am


Did I have a go-see with my dentist today?
- Joe Dressner 3-27-2004 12:41 am


synergo-oenophilia
- Ian (guest) 3-27-2004 12:56 am


Ian:

Actually, I prefer a marvin to a synergo-oenophilia.

Can I also use Marvin as a verb?


- Joe Dressner 3-27-2004 2:26 am


Someone on the Louis/Dressner payroll told me she liked marvin, but suggested a shanky.

I can easily imagine a distributor's sales meetings:

Joe Dressner from Louis/Dressner Selections will be in town next week.

Do we have any volunteers to shanky with Dressner?

- Joe Dressner 3-27-2004 2:53 am


Shanky is just odd. You're grasping at straws!

I've consulted our local grammarian and, yes, marvin can be used as a verb.

"Do we have any volunteers to marvin with Dressner?"
- NYScott 3-27-2004 10:18 am


sir, having failed with "sandwich job" i will advance the term "shriveling".
- the sheriff (guest) 3-27-2004 1:07 pm


I'm tending toward marvin, myself.

By the way, lots of enlightened wines will be coming to Connecticut soon. But many of them are on pre-orders.
- Joe Dressner 3-27-2004 2:03 pm


marvin gives me the creeps.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-27-2004 2:20 pm


Any other ideas then?
- Joe Dressner 3-27-2004 2:23 pm


i don't know sir. the shanky sounds like a dance. "hey let's do the shanky"! suppose someone had a large nez and they started to do the shanky. they might start knocking people over.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-27-2004 3:17 pm


Might I suggest Rebus? (Or Reebus.) How about Weebus?
- Jeff Connell (guest) 3-27-2004 4:36 pm


The problem with all these "work-with" alternatives is that they have to make sense to everyone in the wine industry. I'm bucking for universal usage and acceptance.

Will they really go for reebus or marvin?
- Joe Dressner 3-27-2004 4:49 pm


personally, I'd rather do a "shanky" than a "marvin". I'm with the sheriff, a "marvin" just is too creepy.
- Kris (guest) 3-27-2004 5:28 pm


wait a minute, wait a minute. marvin? shanky? i get it. sounds ezackly like that guy who tips off that retailer just before he writes up wines with big scores.
- the camel (guest) 3-27-2004 5:35 pm


why not just call it what it is:
A double team
- Melanie (guest) 3-27-2004 8:10 pm


Why not just call it what it is: a double team.
- Melanie (guest) 3-27-2004 8:11 pm


See how effective it is to hear the same thing twice in a row?!
- Melanie (guest) 3-27-2004 8:14 pm


call it a zacherly after that gruesome chap that would show the ghoul films on saturdays. had the ameba named phyliss that did the phyliss slide. after all what could be more gruesome than a supplier and a salesman?
- the sheriff (guest) 3-27-2004 8:42 pm


And you thought marvin was creepy?

A few alternatives:

flingle
zimmer
showup
spin
sitespec
tagalong
crm
babyhugging
elbow tour
roadshow
corker
But I still like marvin.
- NYScott 3-27-2004 9:12 pm


a tag along, as an impediment to one's day? sounds about right. my shanky was as effective as the tagalong today.
- Kris (guest) 3-28-2004 6:22 pm


well, back to the mines. Figured my last idea might help Polaner sell Greek wines too..... here is an off the cuff back up:

A Schmaldoview
- Ian (guest) 3-29-2004 12:17 am


bicker. you will be bickering with mr.dresser next week.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-29-2004 10:55 am


How about a work over?
- Cole (guest) 3-29-2004 2:48 pm


well sir, that's quite a few suggestions. you should now award the prize.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-29-2004 7:42 pm


How about a showing? I love gerunds!
- Daniel Webster (guest) 3-29-2004 8:40 pm


let's get shaking!
- the sheriff (guest) 3-29-2004 8:58 pm


i think the sheriff should arrest mr. webster for his unholy relationship with gerunds.
- NYScott 3-29-2004 9:00 pm


I think the sheriff should arrest that Whig Mr. Webster, for impersonating a lexicographer. Harrumph!
- Noah Webster (guest) 3-29-2004 9:08 pm


i best check my funk and wagnalls.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-30-2004 11:37 am


I like Marvin, Scott I also like corker but what about Limulus(a scary creature which is very kind in fact...an very usefull for the human being...).Oh, by the way, Joe, we need to set up a limuling appointment for the end of the month.That Limulus day should be fun!
- David Ledu 3-30-2004 1:09 pm


I'm placing the sheriff under Random House arrest!
- Noah Webster (guest) 3-30-2004 4:18 pm


well toss a couple of gerunds in there so i can have some fun.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-30-2004 4:52 pm


Take three, they're small.
- Noah Webster (guest) 3-30-2004 5:28 pm


i really don't know if i should take three. mr. dresser said he wanted a couple.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-30-2004 6:43 pm


Mr. Dresser and you are in luck, as I have a warehouse full of gerunds, participles and infinitives and I am feeling generous. Call me on my cellophane, er, cell phone.
- Noah Webster (guest) 3-30-2004 7:55 pm


would it be possible to split an order of infinitives?
- the sheriff (guest) 3-30-2004 8:02 pm


Yes, it is possible, under the condition that you agree not to dangle any participles.
- Noah Webster (guest) 3-30-2004 8:36 pm


those were the guys that followed around jesus, right?
- the sheriff (guest) 3-30-2004 8:52 pm


Yes, and they got Michael Jackson into a lot of trouble as well.
- Noah Webster (guest) 3-30-2004 8:55 pm


Can someone help me, I've misplaced my modifier?
- King o' Pop (guest) 3-31-2004 12:12 am


Something simple like; Top drawer, retail store, shop floor, price war, no score, esprit de corps whore and pour.
- The Coffee Anon (guest) 3-31-2004 12:39 am


mr. dresser, i think we're getting to the end of the line on this one.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-31-2004 11:08 am


I agree.

I'm going to use Marvin.

Sheriff: Please arrest anyone who continues this thread.
- Joe Dressner 3-31-2004 3:31 pm


will do sir. gerunds, oi vey!
- the sheriff (guest) 3-31-2004 4:39 pm


I like the term "trunk-stuffer." I understand loading up trunks is crucial to the wine biz.
- a late guest (guest) 3-31-2004 6:24 pm


late guest you're under arrest!
- the sheriff (guest) 3-31-2004 6:49 pm


Where do I report to?
- late guest (guest) 3-31-2004 7:26 pm


dangling prepositions are not helping your case. now move it! you're sentenced to 2 days community service in mayor bloomberg's office.
- the sheriff (guest) 3-31-2004 7:45 pm


How about paying me a house call, you big ole lug? I hear you been in my hood, and I didn't get marvin'd, shanky'd, or even work-with'ed. GGRRRRRRR Hint...I'm open till midnight down the street from that big ole Alsacian guy's hangout.

Here's some ideas for what to call it...vulturin', pimpin', ho'in.
- Wine Witch 4-02-2004 9:20 pm


OK. One last one I couldn't resist...bottle scootin'.
- anonymous (guest) 4-02-2004 9:21 pm