Contest: Describe What is Wrong with Pierre Rovani's Evaluation of George Duboeuf and Win a Touraine Gamay Sampler

I've arrived in France and visited the Beaujolais and Puligny-Montrachet.

Someone sent me Pierre Rovani's explanation of George Duboeuf's vinification techniques, excerpted from a computer wine bulletin board. It reads:

I can only assume that you haven't tasted and Duboeuf wines in the past few years and are basing your comments on the somewhat distant past. A number of years ago he had producers with whom he had contracts using an artificial yeast that promoted fruitiness. That yeast was also responsible for tropical flavors like banana... and had a way of masking some of the differences between the crus. When he realized what was happening that was stopped. Today, the growers he buys from typically only use indigenous yeasts. The "Duboeuf signature" of the old days is no longer there... and I'd bet money you'd adore the wines if tasted blind.

The reader who best described what is wrong with this evaluation, in cogent and polite terms, will win an exciting Touraine Gamay Sampler. Just click on the comments section.

Frankly, it is scary that Mr. Rovani, who is no doubt an honest and hard-working fellow, writes about Duboeuf as if Mr. Rovani is a flak for the Duboeuf organization. I don't care that Rovani likes the Duboeuf wines, but I do object to him acting as a PR piece. Imagine, reporting that Duboeuf discovered he had producers using "artificial yeasts" and Duboeuf putting an end to such practices.

Amazing....
- Joe Dressner 6-28-2004 7:50 pm


the problem with the statement is obvious - dubeouf wines taste the same now as they did in the 'distant past'. i'd bet money on it having tried them.
- scott kraft (guest) 6-29-2004 1:45 am


I really would like to get that Gamay Sampler, so I have to submit an answer. It is probably a trick question with five correct answers. Let me see if I can get all five.

One, Duboeuf mostly buys fruit and then makes the wine at their own facility. They are the ones adding the yeast.
Two, when they buy finished wine it has mostly been made according to their specifications. They have told the winemaker which yeast to use.
Three, they are still mostly making wine with yeast inoculations.
Four, does he think that Georges Duboeuf doesn't even taste his own wines so that he had to 'realize' what was happening?
Five, he can't possibly believe that I would adore Duboeuf Beaujolais.
- Jeff Connell (guest) 6-29-2004 3:10 am


do they even visit the facilities anymore? i've heard the rumours out there in the world about thow Parker & his staff taste wines anymore.. .any chance that a barrel was sampled out without the estate being held into true account?
- Kris (guest) 6-29-2004 3:37 am


it was a scary article, and i wonder why that piece and the yellowtail article (both same importer) were in the advocate...
- real wino (guest) 6-30-2004 8:45 am


I haven't seen the articles. What does he say about yellowtail and duboeuf. I only know what Mr. Rovani has written on the internet bulletin board.
- Joe Dressner 6-30-2004 10:15 am


I like the notion that the whole banana-candy yeast thing was done by rogue producers within the Duboeuf empire, and once the chief found out (he was shocked, shocked) the practice was nipped in the bud.

Of course, the wines tasted like that for years and years, so maybe M. Duboeuf's vigilance was, shall we say, not exactly Cerberuslike.

- Chris (guest) 6-30-2004 11:51 am


My entry for your quiz: Rovani wrote 'Readers who remain sceptical about the 2003s should know that not a single member of the group [tasting the '03 oak-aged Moulin-à-Vent] guessed Beaujolais...' - which I take to be approval, ye gods.

Do I win anything?

- Oliver (guest) 6-30-2004 11:52 am



I'm only doing this to get a free case of Gamay. I stopped caring about Duboeuf when I tried a line-up of his 1990 wines and found that I couldn't easily distinguish any of them from Pina Colada. For many years, I thought this was what Beaujolais was and said that I didn't like it. Bob Semon and Cole Kendall first helped me see the error of my ways.

In any case, there is an obvious internal contradiction in the Rovani post. He first says that Duboeuf discovered that some of his growers were using the suspect yeast (evidently only after many years either of not tasting his own wines or not noticing that they all tasted like Pina Colada) and then later describes the effects as an erstwhile Duboeuf signature, thus not something he discovered but something he signed off on.

I actually wonder why he stopped. The wines always got good Parker reviews with lots of florid descriptors about tropical fruits, so they had a market. And a quick perusal of Rovani's review of the 2003s indicate that he is still doing something to make the wines taste like a fruit drink.
- Jonathan Loesberg (guest) 6-30-2004 12:38 pm


I vote for Jonathan. Just getting practice.
- The Coffee Anon (guest) 7-01-2004 3:14 am


il n'y a pas de quoi fouetter un chat!
- the sheriff (guest) 7-01-2004 6:31 pm


The biggest problem I see with this statement is the idea that a group of people who have sold, what, about 1,000,000,000 bottles of Frooty Banana Bubble-Yum flavored wine that all tasted pretty much regardless of cru or vintage could somehow then be capable of developing sudden concern that the terroirs of the crus of Beaujolais were being "masked." How would such a concern develop -- spontaneous generation?

Wouldn't a reasonable person conclude that a much more likely reason for a change is that some marketing consultants finally told them after interviewing some focus groups that Banana Bubble Yum flavor is "out" and that Sweetshirazberrylicious flavoring is now "in"?
- b-wood (guest) 7-01-2004 10:19 pm


no such thing as artificial yeast; all yeast is natural, just not indigenous.

terrible use of passive voice in the second-to-last sentence.

The assertion that the lack of "signature" is now the wine factory's "signature" is schnookery at its finest.


- pleiades (guest) 7-10-2004 5:02 pm


Mr Rovani has his yeasts confused...

There is no such thing as artificial yeast (as Pleiades mentions)... its all natural - although some yeasts are created in a lab and there are many that occur naturally on the grape skins...

Most winemakers use 'lab-raised' yeasts to control fermentation, some use 'wild' yeasts to get a more 'terrior-based' wine - although the risks inherent in wild yeasts are usually just not worth the risk...

I can only guess that when M. Rovani refers to indigenous yeasts, this is what he is referring to...

Using wild or 'indigenous' yeasts for a large scale operation such as M. De Boeufs would be the same as hiring a new wine maker for every winery every year.

Way too risky.

Anyway... there are simply too many other decisions that go into the making of great wine; quaity of grapes, use of oak, waulity of oak, extraction techniques, etc.

M'sieur Rovani's assertion that DuBoeuf wines have changed for the better may be so, but to assert that it is because of 'indigenous' yeast is absurd.
- mark bell (guest) 7-11-2004 7:27 pm


debrouille-toi toute seule!
- the sheriff (guest) 7-12-2004 2:58 pm


You mean that banana terrior I loved so much was not due to the fact that the fact that Duboeuf 's producers were surrounded by row after row of Plantains? I still have a bottle of 2001 Duboeuf "Me'lo Y'low" in the cellar.

I would comment further about what is wrong with what Mr. Rovani is saying, but that would imply that he has a modicum of credibility.
- BannedinBeaujolais (guest) 7-12-2004 7:46 pm


The concept that "no members of the group thought the moulin a vent was a beaujolais" manifests exactly what is wrong about the wine advocate, m. rovani and , presumably, mr. parker. let me think - beaujolais. gamay, moulin a vent - the wine DOESN'T taste like these but it is all of these and that is good???? tastes like port not bordeaux but is supposed to be bordeaux. also good, no great. there are a surprisingly large number of excellent beaujolais shipped to the USofA, delightful drinking, refreshing, terrific with food. the way to find them is to avoid the flower label. and best to get a grower's bottling.
- wineart (guest) 7-14-2004 8:01 pm


Is there a time limit to this contest?
- Scott Kraft (guest) 7-21-2004 12:03 am


No, no time limit.

I'm on vacation. Enjoy yourselves.
- Joe Dressner 7-21-2004 5:06 am


Anybody up for a blind tasting? I'm more than a little curious now
- Melanie (guest) 7-24-2004 3:59 am


Count me in. 2003 Roilette just got 90 points in the WS! The vintage rocks!
- Joe Dressner 7-24-2004 5:10 am


Okay - Rovani fails to mention George Duboeuf's use of thermo-vinification! They heat the fermenting grapes and then they bring the temperature down quickly. This too masks the difference between crus. However, as a smart man once wrote of this winemaker, "Duboeuf is a commercial wizard and he wants to be perceived as being open to new techniques and not being stuck in a rut." We can only expect more!
- Scott Kraft 7-30-2004 6:00 pm


that is just sooooooo depressing.
- anonymous (guest) 8-01-2004 3:20 am


So who got the case of gamay?
- anonymous (guest) 9-06-2004 4:35 pm


Anonymous
- Joe Dressner 9-06-2004 5:43 pm


The bulk (ha ha) of Dubeouf's wines are certainly nondescript, no argument. However I tasted through the 2003 crus on three separate occasions and felt they were good examples of their respective appellations. Mindblowing, no. Bubble Yum? Defnitely not. Somewhere in the middle, yes. Typical Gamay fruit, and yes I could tell the difference between crus. They might not have been bottles for the snobs to appreciate, but I think they were fine "segue selections" to move Nouveau drinkers to "real" Beaujolais. And it isn't nice to see casual wine drinkers graduate to higher levels?

As for Mr. Rovani, well he's earned a rep for misinformation ... sometimes I wonder if people read him for his reviews or to see him make a fool of himself. As already has been posted, there's no such thing as "artificial" yeasts, and today it doesn't matter what yeasts the growers use, because Dubeouf uses his own yeasts, in his own winemaking facility, for all of his Beaujolais cru wines.
- wine dictator (guest) 9-12-2004 7:06 pm


Oh my G.., there is a dictator in that blog, watch what you're saying...!
- david ledu (guest) 9-13-2004 1:27 am


it's more like the window for discussion keeps getting lowered. it's a shame. reliance on the wine press is a shame. the fact that in these troubling times someone uses the title "dictator" in these proto-facist times, let's remember "it's about what's in the bottle" not about what the wine press dictates.
- abbey (guest) 9-13-2004 3:04 am


I have to agree with anonymous.


- Joe Dressner 9-13-2004 11:15 am


Does anybody know what flower is on George DuBoeuf's beaujolais label??
- Justin 11-16-2004 5:10 pm


Joe Dressner is a helluva a guy! He knows everything there is to know about the Beaujolais!
- Justin 11-16-2004 7:39 pm